ServiceTech

I have informed from the local Sciton's technical distributor here in Greece that the sensitive part of BBL during the time is NOT the power of flash lamp but the capacity of these Quad-Thermo Electric Coolers to regulate the tip temp.So after one or two or three years the Coolers are lossing gradually this capacity but the power of flash lamp remains stable.Is it true?

Guys,

Profractional with coag. is being introduced at the ASLMS this week. It is supposedly also about 2-3 times faster than the previous version. Thought you would want to know.

dexter

Thanks...If you or anyone else have any news about that (Profractional with coag) please post them...I am too far from USA...in Greece.

ServiceTech

I have informed from the local Sciton's technical distributor here in Greece that the sensitive part of BBL during the time is NOT the power of flash lamp but the capacity of these Quad-Thermo Electric Coolers to regulate the tip temp.So after one or two or three years the Coolers are lossing gradually this capacity but the power of flash lamp remains stable.Is it true?

Hi Charry,

TEC's are very reliable and stable devices due to their solid-state construction and can be expected to last >200K hours without a loss in efficiency. They can however be destroyed very quickly if they are incorrectly mounted. If the heat on the hot side is not removed efficiently or the thermal cycling is too great, premature mechanical failure will result. The software in BBL module constantly monitors the TEC hot side and is designed to power-down the coolers should the spec be exceeded. I do not think the TEC's deteriorate with time but the flash lamps do.Thankfully with the BBL, lamp deterioration is much slower than other IPL's which means the output is stable over a longer period of time. Even when a decrease in output is detected, the system allows room for adjustment - it is truly a credit to it's architects.

Thanks ServiceTech.

Hi Charry,

Could you please tell me the BBL settings you are using for hair removal on the darker Mediterranean skins, especially for facial hair?

Hi ServiceTech

My patients here in northwest Greece where i live are mostly II-IV Fitz.For patients 1)near IV Fitz i have used (with 640nm filter)up to 14J/cm and down to 20msec (cooling 10C).2)For patients IV Fitz you could go a little down to fluence or/and a little up to pulse width>20msec.If you want in the group 1 you could use the 695nm filter at 16-17J/cm and down to 15-20msec.For the second group of patients you could use the same filter (695nm) but never lower than 20msec and a maybe little lower(maybe 1J/cm)at fluence in comparison to group 1.

ServiseTech

What are the technical different specifications of the beta version of Profractional in comparison to the previous version?Greece is too far from ASLMS Conference.

Thanks Charry for the BBL information. Regarding the new MultiFractional I can only speculate. The current ProFractional device uses a single spot that is scanned left to right/top to bottom. Since the Sciton Er:YAG produces too much power, the laser beam is passed through a small aperture to "dump" alot of the energy. This is why the black section of the ProFrac scanner needs to be cooled. The new scanner uses the full beam but divides it up using a lens array. This means that many spots can be deposited at once making the treatment much faster, even with a single Er:YAG head. The down side is that the grid pitch adjustment is no loner as flexible as the lens array is fixed. I think there are only two selections for pitch instead of 17 with the current scanner. The "Multi" part of the device refers to the ability to add coagulation and hence emulate multiple modalities from CO2 to Er:YAG to Er:GLASS at the press of a button. I hope this is helpful.

From all these you said,would i speculate that the new device has a greater density and finishes the treatment much faster?Maybe...Anyway,Thanks very much ServiceTech for the information about the new MultiFractional device.

Greetings. I just came across your forum here and am SO happy to see a Sciton users group. I am a relative newby to the Sciton (BBL, erbium, profx) and am considering the skin tight. I'm courious as to the results people have been having. I'm a bit skeptical about the whole skin tightening business (I have a Candela GentleYAG and they really unofficially push the skin tightening and I have been less than wowed). I also appreciate all the users sharing their experiences, settings and results. Hope to see more and be able to contribute as well.

I just did a contour full face at 80 ablate, 50 coat, times two passes. She was fully epithelialized at 7 days, and, now, at 19 days, looks amazing. Periorbital area couldn't be any better, cheeks are great. The deep perioral rhytids are only modestly improved, although they did improve more this time that when I have used 400-500 microns of ablate only on them in the past.
Any advice? Does anyone else use this 80/50 type protocol, and, if so, have you done an extra pass periorally?

Thanks,
kc

Thanks Charry for setting this up. It was a pain finding specific Sciton info amongst all the other lasers.
KC
The coag in the first pass is redundant since it's removed with the ablation of the second pass.
The coag in the second pass does seem to give some tightening but the trade off might be a little slower healing and higher risk of PIH.
I think perioral lines would generally require more eg 3x80 with 50 coag in the last pass (or 2 passes to the equivalent)

Charry sign me up for the Sciton forum: I'M back in action after a slight case of prostate cancer and a robotic surgery. I have a couple of profiles and BBLs; I almost bit on the MIXTO, but eagerly await info on the pending Profrac w/ coag from Sciton--I just trust the brand (so far).

For perioral lines I am usually pushing 250 to 500 microns in depth to get decent results. If you are at this depth I am not sure if the coag is beneficial if your only focus is the perioral region.

I have been informed by the International Sales Manager of Sciton(by email) the following:"In future (maybe around Semptember or so)we also will make it Multifractional so that it can be tuned like the TRL for Contour Erbium lasers, where we can simulate Erbium YSGG and CO2 wavelengths. Therefore we think we will have it all as you would have the widest range of parameters and tunable as well!"
So for me maybe it's worth waiting a few months before i would upgrade my Profile.

Why does noone do double/triple passes? 590/560/1064 for instance?

V
I am doing double passes with 590filter and then with Nd YAG 1064 for flushing and for small facial telangiectasias.The results are the best at 2-3 sessions.

Hello.

I have the platform of sciton ClearScan, has submitted several drawbacks by configuration of the equipment.

Could help on the installation of equipment and care.

Temperature work?
Current regulator?
cleaning?

excuse my English

thanks. Jose Luis

my bbl crystal temperature sensor seems to have gone bad; the crystal chills to very, very, cold temperatures, but the machine reads 30C and won't allow treatment.

This has actually occurred once before, when my bbl was warranteed, and they swapped the handpiece out. Sciton today tells me that it cannot be fixed, but they will sell me a replacement refurbished handpiece instead (I am no longer under warranty)

Has anyone else encountered this issue, or does anyone know of a company that will fix these handpieces?

Thanks!

could anyone give me an reply? I had the sciton profractional treatment 6 weeks ago at 150mm, 5% area treated. Now, I am stock with many many tiny holes that I swear were not there previously. Has anyone heard of that side effect? what proves us that the holes made by this laser will automatically heal??
thanks.

kc

This is a problem of TEC.The TECs can't be replaced because there are "on block" at the handpiece.

Anyone who has tried the new Profractional(with coag mode)?Any thoughts about it?

I am going to get to see it in action next week at the Aesthetic Show. Dr. Pozner will be there and give a demo. I am going to see if I can try it while I am there.