After finish my first 10 patients on endopeel treatment, some say it great some can't find any different. Does anybody had any tips?

After finish my first 10 patients on endopeel treatment, some say it great some can't find any different. Does anybody had any tips?

Dr. Joup
please check with Dr.Tenenbaum as well as with Swissmedic in Switzerland (health Ministry).
Most of the patients from Peru, Ecuador and other Latin American Countries have complications after using Dr.Tenenbaum products like Kosmogel, Cosmogel, Endopeel or rather say Phenomen (phenol-250mg, menthol-25mg,ol.arachid.p.f.-5ml) in simple way you can say that you are injecting your patients with sclerosans......Please be carefull because it is your reputation and medical licence at risk. Not at all this product was aproved by FDA or CE for this kind of use.....
As well as Dr.Tenenbaum is not inventor of PHENOL-ENDOPEEL, however he is inventor of name endopeel and nothig else.
To some patients is just another snake oil, fraud, or whatever you will prefer

RT@ Commenterconcerned ex distributor
AFAIK Dr. Tenenbaum didn't had nothing to do with those latin american products and he claim that, it'd been copy the endopeel idea and had a lot of side f/x. However, I can see result with more than 50% of patients and they want to go on with it.

Dr.Joup from TLS Clinic
I am very glad that you have 50% of success with Dr.Alain Tenenbaum products. The only thing I do not understand, why you are so offensive and defending Dr.Tenenbaum and talking about copys of his product without any proof.
Looks like to me that your post is another way of trying to sell products and obtain another users.
Why TLS Clinic do not have web site?, is endopeel or Phenol have sanitary Registry in your country?, Did you ever use Kosmogel?, Did it have CE mark?, Please doctor Jupe veryfy with Swissmedic in Switzerland and obtain true info about criminal investigation on Dr.Tenenbaum, how about CE certificate for Kosmogel ? Did you veryfy that DrJoup?
Also who will produce product which have terrible results? Policrylamida and Phenol was not invented by Dr.Tenenbaum and doctors using it do not have great results as well as most of them are not n either plastic surgeons or ENT's. Before you state that there are copys please veryfy that info. In most developed countries you could get sued for SLANDER if this info are not correct, and it does not look like you did check it.
Also please check with courts in SWITZERLAND, AUSTRIA, ECUADOR, COLOMBIA for any kind of law suit against Alain Tenenbaum. This will give you idea with whom you are dealing with and who is telling the true.
Austria lost case from his patient, Ecuador and Colombia the same. More and more patients are suing Dr.Tenenbaum for his product and complications? Please write, why Dr.Nacul with PMMA did not have as many problems and product are use in high cuantity and worldwide.
best regards

@exdistributor
Thank you for your info. I'm not a defender for Dr. Tenenbaum but, questioned about techniques and want to make an open discussion here. Since I can't find any evidence except in Swiss and Japan about the results. Could you guide me for the webpage regarding lawsuit against Alain Tenenbaum? My website is www.TLSclinic.com, it's not look good since I had a little time.

Thank you for your quick replay, I could forward you this info directly to your personal e-mail, as to Dr. Tenenbaum techniques to use with only his product is another story. May I mention to you that after curse in Ecuador for Kosmogel and Endopeel, 12 patients needed to be operated to remove the product for following reasons: inflamations, migration, fibrosis (after8 month), assimetria, ect... After presentation of endopeel (PHENOL you can purchase from several laboratories in Europe for 30 Euros) severe fibrosis were noticed on the patients (all of them) and final result was not noticed after fibrosis went away.
Untill now there are not even 1 doctor in whole country of Ecuador willing to use the products.
Points to consider: a. all patients were introduced to product by Dr.Tenenbaum himself and were injected by him as well (Dr.Tenenbaum always blamed it on technique which he himself is teaching).
2. CE mark was revoke long time ago (in 2007 for Kosmogel) and he continue travelling to Latin America for experimenting on patients there.
3. Some of his patients were attended in Peru in the hotels by Dr.Tenenbaum without proper estherelisation and equipment to introduce his product, most of those patients were from gay community, which he met on internet as well as in night clubs.
4. Dr.Tenenbaum never took care of his patients and in exchange he blamed it on dad techique and after on product copy´´s
5. Product copys never existed and his techique was used for the last 8 years by Dr.Nacul from Brazil.
Maybe-just maybe he conssidering using diffrent needle or canula as new technique, but this is not the situation.
6. There is only hand full of doctors in Europe using his product as of now, his ex distributors from Europe are not longer existe (Natimed was forced to bancrupcy after creating entire market in Europe for Dr.Tenenbaum and start having product complications), there is a case outstanding in Swiss court where Natimed won over 1M Euros from DR.Tenenbaum and I can sent it to your e-mail, other cases include Austria, Ecuador, Colombia...
7. Taking to consideretions Dr.Tenenbaum age and copy´s of his diplomas there is no way he is neither facial Plastic surgeon or ENT. In Ecuador he could not even proof his general surgery residency.

My simple conclusions are¨: if it walks like a duck, and you hear it kwa,kwa,kwa like a duck (more than once and more than one person hear it) IT IS a DUCK and no chicken.

I will take liberty to forward few attachments to your personal e-mail with proofs of what I am talking about, but please do not publish them for explicit and personal info they have it.

Kind regards

@ ex distributor
Thanks a lot for your info, you may forward articles directly to my clinic's email: trangchata.laser@gmail.com. Your informations is helpful since I can't google them anywhere.
Regards;
V. Chowchuvech MD

Hi V. Chowchuvech MD
Why against Dr Tenenbaum who is a great person at the difference of the ecuadorian criminal ,, ex,, retailer , who is anti gay and anti anything.
This ecuadorian is known to be a criminal using diffamation as false documents easy got through corruption in ecuador .
JKust check on google ecuador and corruption.
Also swissmedic has got 2 directors who were kicked out for corruption.
Will you trust colleagues or just a seller who wants to protect his false copies and make diffamation about great inventors who may be gay ?

It s time for you as MD to recognize a criminal so called ex retailer as a colleague seen good by medical community .

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So sorry to read the last posted comment. We are doctors seeking information, which should be given objectively and with respect. As physicians we are not man or woman, and it is not about our EGO but only about treating our patients. Especially DO NO HARM. No one is interested in personal, social or sexual lives. Hopefully this will make people think better before registering inadequate comments.
I'd also like to have more information about endopeel, so kindly ask to have the e-mail of the MD that mentioned the problems involved with endopeel and other products.

So sorry to read the last posted comment. We are doctors seeking information, which should be given objectively and with respect. As physicians we are not man or woman, and it is not about our EGO but only about treating our patients. Especially DO NO HARM. No one is interested in personal, social or sexual lives. Hopefully this will make people think better before registering inadequate comments.
I'd also like to have more information about endopeel, so kindly ask to have the e-mail of the MD that mentioned the problems involved with endopeel and other products.

Dear Brazilian MD

I agree with you 100%, this should be every MD opinion and concern.
Sorry, however I was blocked from using this web site, if you would like to receive more info about Kosmogel or Endopeel and without offending anyone please write me an e-mail to palsgraf40@yahoo.com and I will provide you with facs and names of plastic surgeons in Ecuador and Peru who share problems after using products purchased from Styling Medical Devices and Dr.Alain Tenenbaum.

Thank you for your interest in the better protection for your patients and your family name as good MD
Kind Regards
Exdistribudor

Dear Brazilian MD

I agree with you 100%, this should be every MD opinion and concern.
Sorry, however I was blocked from using this web site, if you would like to receive more info about Kosmogel or Endopeel and without offending anyone please write me an e-mail to palsgraf40@yahoo.com and I will provide you with facs and names of plastic surgeons in Ecuador and Peru who share problems after using products purchased from Styling Medical Devices and Dr.Alain Tenenbaum.

Thank you for your interest in the better protection for your patients and your family name as good MD
Kind Regards
Exdistribudor

Dear Brazilian MD

I agree with you 100%, this should be every MD opinion and concern.
Sorry, however I was blocked from using this web site, if you would like to receive more info about Kosmogel or Endopeel and without offending anyone please write me an e-mail to palsgraf40@yahoo.com and I will provide you with facs and names of plastic surgeons in Ecuador and Peru who share problems after using products purchased from Styling Medical Devices and Dr.Alain Tenenbaum.

Thank you for your interest in the better protection for your patients and your family name as good MD
Kind Regards
Exdistribudor

Dear Brazilian MD

I agree with you 100%, this should be every MD opinion and concern.
Sorry, however I was blocked from using this web site, if you would like to receive more info about Kosmogel or Endopeel and without offending anyone please write me an e-mail to palsgraf40@yahoo.com and I will provide you with facs and names of plastic surgeons in Ecuador and Peru who share problems after using products purchased from Styling Medical Devices and Dr.Alain Tenenbaum.

Thank you for your interest in the better protection for your patients and your family name as good MD
Kind Regards
Exdistribudor

Dear Brazilian MD

I agree with you 100%, this should be every MD opinion and concern.
Sorry, however I was blocked from using this web site, if you would like to receive more info about Kosmogel or Endopeel and without offending anyone please write me an e-mail to palsgraf40@yahoo.com and I will provide you with facs and names of plastic surgeons in Ecuador and Peru who share problems after using products purchased from Styling Medical Devices and Dr.Alain Tenenbaum.

Thank you for your interest in the better protection for your patients and your family name as good MD
Kind Regards
Exdistribudor

Dear Brazilian MD

I agree with you 100%, this should be every MD opinion and concern.
Sorry, however I was blocked from using this web site, if you would like to receive more info about Kosmogel or Endopeel and without offending anyone please write me an e-mail to palsgraf40@yahoo.com and I will provide you with facs and names of plastic surgeons in Ecuador and Peru who share problems after using products purchased from Styling Medical Devices and Dr.Alain Tenenbaum.

Thank you for your interest in the better protection for your patients and your family name as good MD
Kind Regards
Exdistribudor

Dear Brazilian MD

I agree with you 100%, this should be every MD opinion and concern.
Sorry, however I was blocked from using this web site, if you would like to receive more info about Kosmogel or Endopeel and without offending anyone please write me an e-mail to palsgraf40@yahoo.com and I will provide you with facs and names of plastic surgeons in Ecuador and Peru who share problems after using products purchased from Styling Medical Devices and Dr.Alain Tenenbaum.

Thank you for your interest in the better protection for your patients and your family name as good MD
Kind Regards
Exdistribudor

For all readers .
This ecuadorian ,, ex distributor,, is not else than antisemitic, homophobic, jalous and against Dr Tenenbaum as all his products.
Just ask all distributors even in Peru about the products of Dr Tenenbaum and since how long they use them and know Dr Tenenbaum to get a true ethical answer .
The goal of any antisemitic homophobic and criminal ecuadorian ,, ex distributor,, is just to make pure diffamation without any prooves or building prooves using corruption in Ecuador, what is rather simple .
You can find easily that in Ecuador you can pay a teenager 15 USD to kill anyone you wish .
Remember too that Ecuador is protecting FARC, is friend of Chavez ( Venezuela) and of Iran : all terrorist governments

For all readers .
This ecuadorian ,, ex distributor,, is not else than antisemitic, homophobic, jalous and against Dr Tenenbaum as all his products.
Just ask all distributors even in Peru about the products of Dr Tenenbaum and since how long they use them and know Dr Tenenbaum to get a true ethical answer .
The goal of any antisemitic homophobic and criminal ecuadorian ,, ex distributor,, is just to make pure diffamation without any prooves or building prooves using corruption in Ecuador, what is rather simple .
You can find easily that in Ecuador you can pay a teenager 15 USD to kill anyone you wish .
Remember too that Ecuador is protecting FARC, is friend of Chavez ( Venezuela) and of Iran : all terrorist governments

HI I am a patient from Thailand who has been injected with Endopeel on my right cheek a few months ago. This was done to create a more even folds that I have from the tip of the nose to the corner of my lip. I t had a very strange effect on me. I felt like there is a constant pulling of the muscle in that part of the face. About a month ago I felt like something in my my face had tore and I could even feel the substance coming apart in me. I t was so scary.
I called my doctor and he said that there is nothing to be concern about and that Endopeel just like botox or filler. It dissolves after a few months.
Now I have been having a muscle ache in the area. the pain has been constant and bad. I can not chew with the right side of my jaw and it is difficult to open my lips fully. I went to see a dentist and he suggest that I see an Oral surgeon.
I am really desperate for sincere advice.
1) I live in NewYyork city. Is there any physician /dermatologist here that I can consult? My dermatologist here said she has never heard of this product.
2) If any of you have any knowledge that you can share on this product. Does it go away?
3)and what kind of side effect is it doing to me? Will there be any perminent damage?
So much thanks

Yes I agree so many complications all over the world has been reported using Endopeel, I'm not sure who was that uneducated illiterate and ignorant talking about Chavez and Iran on a medical forum. Go get educated especially politically before medically before you open you filthy mouth.

So sorry to hear of another complication, as ex product rep in Ecuador, I spent over $100K to remove all the injected or implanted from damaged patients, just to save my personal reputation. Both, Kosmogel and Endopeel were removed from Ecuador,
Patient in need shall contact certify Plastic Surgeon and try to remove this product.
If I can help with more info, please contact me at palsgraf40@yahoo.com
Sorry again to hear that you have a problem and product still in circulation.