Can anyone help me with estimate prices for these 2 systems new? The companies are not prepared to give prices over the phone and I am only shopping around for now.

Yoni: WIth the BBL there are many different possibilities to configure the device -- see details on the Sciton web site. You are correct -- the hardest thing in the world today is to find out the actual prices for which these devices are being sold across the world. Pricing can also vary a great deal from month to month and from country to country. For example, the "regular" list price for the Apogee Alexandrite laser has always been in the neighborhood of US100,000 -- but if you negotiate hard you can probably get a significant discount because Cynosure (like everyone else) is struggling right now. You would be better off with their ELITE laser anyway-- which gives you both 1064 and 755 wavelengths for much greater versatility.

If you want just the IPL part of the device, the Sciton BBL is in the same neighborhood -- but you can probably negotiate a discount.

Thanks for the reply. You are 100% correct getting prices on the phone is like pulling teeth! Even on the Scition websibe it only gives specs - no prices! Regarding the BBL i am only looking for the 6 standard filters and not the skintyte filter. When i phone either Sciton or Cynosure, I have to answer a million questions first, commit to a vist from a rep and still they will not give me prices over the phone!! I know both machines very well and feel that the "3rd degree" on the phone is terrible.

Thanks Doug, have sent you an email.