Everyone I know is talking about lipo-dissolve or one of the similar products. Does anyone have any experience with it? Thanks

I am really keen to start using this, is Lippo-dissolve a trademark, or is it just what people mix up themselves?

From what I have seen Lipodissolve may be trademarked but I saw a segment on the news about it and the Phosphatidylcholine-based (PC) injections were being drawn from a bottle that was from a compounding pharmacy. I'm in the process of doing more research. So far I have not heard of any serious side effects besides localized reactions and pain. There is a website warning against its use...www.lipotreatmentfacts.org I don't think there are any studies that demonstrate it's MOA, safety or efficacy.

We are looking into it as well.You may want to start with checking out ASAL. The American Society of Aesthetic Lipodissolve.This group appears to bring some standards to the procedure, as well as carrying the water on different assaults on the procedure itself. Having said all that one has to be trained by their trainers in order to become a part of the group. We have uncovered very less expensive trainers.
Also where Mesotherapy appears to be a cocktail of supplements without any standard protocol,lipodissolve is based on Phosphatidylcholine.

Mark,

Actually lipodissolve is a combination of phosphatidylcholine and deoxycholate. Response is variable. Some side effects. Some respond very well others so-so. Should only use for small areas. I have used on lipomas with good results.

Thanks for the input LH. Are you getting your phosphatidylcholine/deoxycholate from a compounding pharmacy or is there a distributor? And are any of these classes I've seen on the internet worth going to? The American Society of Aesthetic Lipodissolve has classes for a mere $2400....

I get it from one of the compounding pharmacies called New England Compounding pharmacy (hope, it is Ok with jeff to put this name in here). There are a number of compounding pharmacies you can use.

All of the classes out there are expensive. I paid about $2400 to go to one in Long Beach,CA. It was OK but nothing special. I have a friend that went to the one put on by the american Society of Aesthetic Mesotherapy and he said it was OK.

Personally, it is probably worth more to take a few days out of clinic and go spend some time with a doc that does a lot of meso. You will likely learn a lot more. You walk away from the conferences with a lot of questions. That is where belonging to one of the societies is beneficial as you will hopefully have someone to call when you have questions.

The basic science on PPC is a little troubling. If you look at the histology of the fat following PPC injection, what happens is not the "melting" of fat, but classic fat necrosis, with subsequent scar tissue formation.

Thanks...but no thanks!

Speaking of spending a few days with an experienced doc...I'm looking to take a few days out and spend a few days with an experienced doc out of my market. I have a small cosmetic practice now but am looking for some mentoring on where to spend my time and money next. Any takers? I remember a thread a couple of months ago when Dexter mentioned his clinic may do that. Thanks.

I was a former faculty member with ASAL (www.asal-meso.com) and have performed over 2000 Lipodissolve procedures. Lipodissolve as taught by ASAL (using the formula and dosages taught by ASAL) works, but it was still variable from patient to patient. Also, as more practioners perform Lipodissolve, patients will start price shopping, As a result, when I was the only one in the Atlanta market doing Lipodissolve, I was charging $600, but with so many other providers offering the procedure, the price has come down to about $300-$400.

As a result of both of the above, I have modified the procedure with some pre and post care that provides better results (avg. 2.5cm reduction with EACH 100cc treatment in an area) and market this under the term "LipoJection"(TM) and charge $700. Remember-- "Lipodissolve" and "Mesotherapy" are just marketing terms; the actual medical term is "injection lipolysis'. Also remember, the key to surviving in the aesthetic market is to offer services which patients want, but which patients cannot readily get elsewhere.

I am now recruiting physicians to offer "LipoJection" in various markets in business arrangements that are negotiable. However, in any one "market", there will only be a single exclusive provder of "LipoJection", who will be listed on the website (www.lipojection.com).

If interested be contact me in the email provided.

Regards,
Stephen Jacob, MD

I keep hearing a commercial for LipoZap on EVERY radio channel, even different languages. These guys will not stop advertising and I called to see what it is. Turns out to be an injection like lipodissolve. So have they done with sjacob says and just use mesotherapy and renamed it by altering the pre/post care? I don't get why everybody in Southern California now wants Lipozap (other than their marketing blitz)

If anyone is interested in no-needle mesotherapy, please let me know. I am the President of M2 Medical Inc, representing some of the finest companies in aesthteics in the US.

I have been in the business for years and offer free advice and services to physicians.

Only if and when a doctor purchases a product(s) based on my recommendation does the specific company pay a small referral award.

Thank you and please forgive a newbie if I am breaking any rules. Just trying to help and is why I an not mentioning products per say.

M2 Medical Inc

Kansas State Board of Healing Arts outlaws Lipodissolve except in drug trials.

Thoughts about this action by one state medical board? I am interested in learning and performing LipoDissolve, but am concerned about investing in the training only to have this happen in Texas. Currently there are may physicians in Texas performing this.

Kansas Lipodissolve ban overturned:

http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2007/09/10/daily64.html?surround=lfn

Fig. just closed up all of its clinics and may be seeking BK protection. www.nytimes.com/2007/12/14/us/14fat.html. They were the company that had 16 clinics doing lipodissolve.

Watching this for the last six months and still cant get a good feeling about the safety and results that can be expected.

I work at a medical spa and we have a no needle mesotherapy(dermawave) machine for sale. We are expanding as a business and we don't have room for this machine anymore. It treats cellulite and fat with electro therapy and medication that is purchased through a compound pharmacy. If you would like any info please email me at kathy@remedymedspa.com

yeah sure, the only reason why your selling it is because it does not work. I have heard about those machines and never heard one good thing about them yet.

Yeah I just found this out. This serves as a good reminder to any doctor to check every companies FDA approval before you purchase.

http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/pdf4/K040121.pdf

If you check under indications for use near the bottom it says:
"Theraputic deep heat for selected medical conditions such as PAIN RELIEF!".

It is not even approved as a transdermal delivery system. Maybe you want to take that up with them, as it appears they havn't been honest with you

I was a former faculty member with ASAL (www.asal-meso.com) and have performed over 2000 Lipodissolve procedures. Lipodissolve as taught by ASAL (using the formula and dosages taught by ASAL) works, but it was still variable from patient to patient. Also, as more practioners perform Lipodissolve, patients will start price shopping, As a result, when I was the only one in the Atlanta market doing Lipodissolve, I was charging $600, but with so many other providers offering the procedure, the price has come down to about $300-$400.

As a result of both of the above, I have modified the procedure with some pre and post care that provides better results (avg. 2.5cm reduction with EACH 100cc treatment in an area) and market this under the term "LipoJection"(TM) and charge $700. Remember-- "Lipodissolve" and "Mesotherapy" are just marketing terms; the actual medical term is "injection lipolysis'. Also remember, the key to surviving in the aesthetic market is to offer services which patients want, but which patients cannot readily get elsewhere.

[this comment has been modified for violating our terms about direct solicitations. Medical Spa MD]

Regards,
Stephen Jacob, MD

I've been reading the posts with some interest. I disagree that Mesotherapy and Lipodissolve are just marketing terms; they are not. Mesotherapy was developed by Dr. Pistor more than 50-years ago and has been used for cosmetic purposes since the 60's. Mesotherapy in a medical theory coupled with various injection techniques , Nappage, Serial, Point to Point etc. Lipodissolve is also an injection technique which was started by a physician that first practiced Mesotherapy. we can argue this of course but facts are what they are. Dr. Maggiore of Italy first used PCDC (phosphatidylcholine/deoxycholate) back in 1988 and presented his results to the 5th Mesotherapy Congress held in Paris. Others most notably in Brazil began using PCDC more aggressively. Dr. Hansenswadtner of Austria first used the term Lipodissolve although this is disputed by Dr Rittes and Dr. Chubaty for whom she lectures. There have been more controversy with Lipodissolve most notably in Kansas as there was a disreputable chain causing many to post on the internet how unhappy they were. I had been interviewed by the Am. Journal of Aesthetic Plastic Surgeons regarding this controversy as they had been vocal against Lipodissolve. I was defending the practice of injections, not the company. Mesotherapy and Lipodissolve are both a form of Lipoinjection but Mesotherapy is so much more. I think that the basic fault with Lipodissolve is that it is a one formula entity that supposedly works well for everyone, it's like saying that every one wears a size 9 shoe. I've been teaching Mesotherapy and Lipodissolve to Physician's for many years and stand behind my statements and results.
Hope this helps,
Dr. Pitera