Has anyone had any experience with the Lipotron 3000 - a radio frequency device..? It has claims to rid the body of even visceral fat... How effective is a RF device on deep, even visceral, fat?

There is complete information about it on www.fromstarttoperfection.com. I attended an info-course and saw a demonstration performed. As of November, it is not FDA approved for anything yet. The price is around $70,000 currently. I think it is too much for an unproven technology. Until it gets FDA approval and there are more studies confirming results I would wait. It may be an option in the future, but let someone else take the bait for now.

We have been using this technology in our clinic since July. The patient satisfaction has been at 100%. I also have friends and physicians that are using this at their clinic with great feedback and success.

FDA approval is coming soon, and this will be highly-discussed and sought after once studies are released.

This manufacturer and equipment are represented by "beauty shop" distributors in N. Calif and Alabama. Anonomously I talked with the distributors from these areas and you would not want to sully your practice by dealing with them...looks, sounds, and "feels" like "med spa / beauty shop" cashing in on the ground swell in medical aesthetics.

Careful....these guys are suspect and NOT FDA approved. Stick with the research and respected medical entities you know.

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If you do any basic reading on the basic scientific principles of RF, you will quickly learn that fat is a very poor conductor of RF current. None of the papers done by reputable researchers make any claims about heating fat. I wouldn't buy any claims for helping reduce subcutaneous fat with RF.

The only product that REALLY true is SMART LIPO.

This class II / III "medical" device has been shown at aesthetician and beauty shows by sales people selling "lotions and potions"--it was in Florida and a couple of other "spa" shows late last year. I've yet to see it at any reputable medical conference nor seen it offered by a reputable medical distributor--just these beauty sales people.

I don't want a patient I'm treating with a device to walk down the street and see it in a beauty shop. But that's what is happening--no doctors in sight for medical direction--just a beautician.

They don't have FDA approval and they're already out there acting like they do.

J. Quinn,

I am sorry you have a poor view of this technology. I have seen some of what you see, but we have also seen steps to get this in the right hands, keeping it with physicians only.

I agree with you that too many salespeople could care less about regulations and ethics. But I can assure you that, not all companies are adding to the noise.

Interesting comment from Live from Tokyo. But isn't the Accent from Alma lasers and VelaShape from Syneron using Rf for fat?

W.Lodge,

Don't have a poor view of RF. I do have a problem with the "misinformation" from the manufacturers and distributors who "promise" the physician that the device is "medical" and then you see what i've seen both on web sites and out on the street.

Have you viewed the info out on the Internet...you'll see what I mean in less than 10 minutes--it's "beauty shop" not medical.

You'd think the FDA would find this out and investigate what it's allowing.

One last point. Thank goodness for these blogs where physicians can openly and honestly warn other doctors and professionals about these abuses.

I have done much more "due diligence" before purchasing and this is a direct result of the posts I've read here.

What I read on this site saved me the $55-60K on this device--despite the hard push by the "beauty shop" rep.

If there is anyone else out there who can tell me otherwise, I'd like to hear from you.

Here's an entry when you google LIPOTRON in your browser:

Shear Bliss Salon and Day Spa - Services
The Lipotron RF uses radio frequency dermal technology for FAT REDUCTION in ... This Lipotron Cellulite reduction treatment is for a longer session time to ...
http://frontdesk.appointments123.com/suites/service.asp?salo...

I sure want to have my $65K LIPOTRON sitting in my office down the street from this beauty shop.

And below from the web site of the "beauty" distributor in Alabama-- Lipotron is right up there with the TEETH WHITING and HAIR GROWTH and MICRODERM systems:


AESTHETIC EQUIPMENT SKIN CARE PRODUCTS APPLICATIONS Microdermabrasion Vascutouch LED Mask Lipotron Teeth Whitening MediLift Contour Ultra Active Optical IPL OxyVital Crystal (Turbo) Crystal (Non-Turbo) Crystal Free Solutions to Hormone
Dependent Symptoms -- Aknof -- Follon -- H.Ogel -- Regenesis Sun Protection ATACHE Professional
Products Professional Facial
Treatments Leorex Retrocaine DermaChic Skin Care www.dermachic.com Acne Hair Removal Gel Hair Removal IPL Veins Cherries Angiomas Exfoliation Muscle Lifting (Medilift) Skin Tightness Cellulite Fat Reduction (MediLift) Hair Restoration Wrinkle Filling Teeth Whitening Skin Resurfacing Sun Damage Microcurrent Face/Neck Tightening

Results from the First Treatment

See results from the first treatment and know that each treatment brings better results. Impressive results seen by the fifth session. Most conditions for the body require ten sessions and six sessions for the face and neck.

Why buy it when your local beauty shop and teeth whitening center has it?

And results in 1 session....I should buy 2!

It's these kinds of things (easily researched on the web) that kept me from buying -- I don't think it's a medical device.

J. Quinn,

I will respond quickly. You obviously have lots of time on your hands. Until you see anything first hand, it is not polite to pretend like you have all the answers. There are two different versions of this device. We only work with the physician model. I can only relate the results that we have achieved and that of several physician friends.

If you want to miss out on something special, that is fine. But please don't talk poorly about a technology when you yourself aren't using, or do not have all the facts.

Have a great day.

Now I understand--there are 2 models for 2 different markets.

I stand corrected. Perhaps the manufacturer should consider having 2 different names so as not to confuse which device is for which market.

I look forward to learning more about the medical grade device--I've obviously seen/heard about the aesthetician model...and the manufacturers web site doesn't distinquish between the two.

I am currently using the Lipotron at our medical clinic and we are seeing results. My first patient has had 8 treatmetns over 5 weeks and went from a size 18/20 to a 14. She bought 4 more treatmetns!

I tried to check on it via google but could not find much on the Revecomed site. There was no information on how to contact them for more info. Does anyone know how we can be directed to some company's site, how about white papers??

Unknown:
Thanks for the heads-up. I guess I would ask for a rain check on it

Unknown, you can go to www.fromstarttoperfection.com, and ask for more information.

i have had 16 treatments and wasted 3000.00 with no results. i just kept hoping maybe next time it will work or i would see a difference but i did not. while it heated my abs (very hot) no melted fat or waste left my body. IT DOES NOT WORK!!!

I have had 10 treatments on my legs and they look great. I am about to start my abs but I have a concern that maybe a physician could answer for me. During session you have to be gounded by a metal plate because of the radio frequency. you are required to take off amy jewelry that may have metal on it. I have the essure implant in my tubes. They are made of nickel, titanium and steel. Will there be any complications while treating my abs?

results are very technician dependant--like most medical aesthetic devices. when technician is trained and motivated, and patient has realistic expectations, the results using this technology are superior, less expensive, and more pleasurable than with any other technology in the medical aesthetic world....

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I know it sounds too good to be true...after much deliberation "I took the bait" I could not start pushing this device in my husband's practice until I was sure it would work. After 8 weeks and 9 subjects ( I treated my staff and friends free for 6 weeks), I can now without apprehension introduce it to his patients. I know it is a tough market out there, physicians are being "sucked in" by unscrupulous vendors, they are easy targets, they "have money". No one has money to invest in worthless nonsense...Anyway, everyone has lost one dress size, some two. It is a slow process, it is not a magic wand, but it does work. I agree that the technician has a great deal on impact with the results. One setback is the cream, it is expensive.

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